Dr. Watkins caught our notice in 2020 when he was announced as LGBTQ+ Nation’s “Hero of the Year.” He has a captivating gracefulness when talking about his work and also about church and religious implications in our times.

He is a public health professional and clinician deeply concerned about the mass trauma inflicted by the COVID-19 pandemic. He firmly believes that communities will need new and creative pathways to healing to recover from the COVID-19 pandemic. He also believes that to truly make ourselves whole, we must also address the age-old crisis of white supremacist delusion and systemic racism in meaningful ways.

In part 2 of this episode, David speaks with author, activist and pastor Doug Pagitt, who in addition to his accomplishments in the theological, literary and political realms can also take credit for introducing David and Kerry. This conversation centers on Good Friday (which was around the time it was recorded), its beauty, and the gaping holes in Western Theology. Doug also tackles the topic of God’s cruelty.

In this episode, David speaks with pastor, author + activist Doug Pagitt

In this Episode, David speaks with pastor, author + activist Doug Pagitt …

In this episode, David speaks with author, activist and pastor Doug Pagitt, who in addition to his accomplishments in the theological, literary and political realms can also take credit for introducing David and Kerry. This conversation centers on Good Friday (which was around the time it was recorded), its beauty, and the gaping holes in Western Theology. Doug also tackles the topic of God’s cruelty.

In part 2 of this very first introductory episode, David + Kerry talk about why we think it’s important to let people know that actually, God is really not an a**hole.

In this very first introductory episode, David + Kerry talk about why we think it’s important to let people know that actually, God is really not an a**hole.